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Umbra CA

by Kidaro » March 7th, 2017, 10:12 pm

Hi,what are you think about CA list with few Umbras ? This race (and models) are awsome and i'm thinking about create list based on them with some Maakrep,Undrone and Fraacta :)
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Re: Umbra CA

by Errhile » March 11th, 2017, 8:53 am

Umbras are nasty, bukeep in mind they are only a part of the list - and pretty expensive part.

Would you mind posting the list you are asking opinions about?
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Re: Umbra CA

by Kidaro » March 11th, 2017, 9:57 pm

Something like this

Image Onyx Contact Force
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Image UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
Image UMBRA LEGATE K1 Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40)
Image UMBRA SAMARITAN Lieutenant Spitfire, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (1 | 44)
Image UMBRA SAMARITAN (EI Assault Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Goodnight) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
Image UMBRA SAMARITAN Breaker Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (0 | 40)
Image FRAACTA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
Image MAAKREP TRACKER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
Image UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
Image UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)

3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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Re: Umbra CA

by Errhile » March 12th, 2017, 8:20 am

Interesting. Well, give it a try, but I have a feeling it has several drawbacks.

Like:
- only the Sygmaa have an extra wound (sure, V:NWI on the Umbras is next best thing, but only as long as there's no one to go after you with Shock Ammo),
- you start with just 8 Orders on table (assuming the Fractaa in in AD).
- you have no Fireteam-capable models (Umbra Samaritans can't form a Haris Team on thier own - they can only lead a Fireteam of Xeodrons) save for the two Unidrons (they could form a Core with one of your Legates, but there's little point there, IMO).
- you lack heavy weapons outside of a single Spitfire and MSR. Thet's pretty likely to get you outgunned.
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.


- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation :(
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Re: Umbra CA

by Kidaro » March 12th, 2017, 10:05 pm

It's make sense, so what are you think about this list on 200 pts ?

Image Combined Army
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Image MAAKREP TRACKER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
Image UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
Image UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
Image KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 41)
Image FRAACTA (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
Image UMBRA LEGATE K1 Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40)
Image UNIDRON Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1 | 18)

4 SWC | 195 Points

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Re: Umbra CA

by Errhile » March 13th, 2017, 10:16 am

First, it is a vanilla list. So no Fireteams there.
Second, 7 Orders on table (including Kornak's Lt. Order turned Regular thanks to Strategos, and Fractaa off-table, in AD). That's, IMO, too few. Kornak is a tough bastard, but he's an obvious Lt, and he's going to be hunted for. You lose him, and you are up your nostrils deep in trouble.

Having a MSR and a Spitfire (and Mk.12) is acceptable heavy weapon saturation. Could do better, but this would do.

If it was me, I'd opt for 9 Orders on-table (and have the Fractaa in the air). Sack Kornak, keep it a pure Onyx force - take a 4th Unidron (and make it a Forward Observer for a mission specialist) and a Nexus, and think if it wouldn't be more advantageous to pass the Spitfire from Unidron to Umbra, and make them work as a Fireteam. There are 2 Lt possibilities then - Umbra Legate or Nexus.
Then see what can be fitted as 10th model with the points remaining. Doesn't have to be much, it would be there primarily as an Order-generator.

Ah. Right, that reminds me: with your 200pts list - why there isn't an Imetron on it? You have 5 points left, mere 7 models in your Combat Group - and could definitely use a Regular Order extra. Chances are it'll land badly and not work as intended, but still, I'd say, worth a try.
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Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.


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