300 ITS ISS list

[Zebo]

I want to try whit a Kuang Shi based list for first time.

Yu Jing - Imperial Service | 17 tropas
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Grupo #1
Guardia Celestial Smoke LGL (13|0.5)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Ninja Hacker (48|0.5)
Grupo #2
Guardia Celestial Lieutenant (13|0)
Husong HMG (28|1)
Husong HMG (28|1)
Husong HMG (28|1)
Sofotectos (31|0)
Yudbot (3|0)
Yudbot (3|0)
Dakini Tacbot Paramedic (17|0)
Rui Shi (25|1)
Rui Shi (25|1)
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297/300 puntos | 6/6 CAPs
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The plan is to use the Kuang Shi and Rui Shi for killing enemy specialist first, and risk the specialist of the 2nd grup as less as possible. And in the end game try to catch te objectives.

What do you Think?

Daofei Invencible Ya

[Claudius Sol]

I'd drop the Ninja Hacker in favor of more specialists, honestly. The Ninja, while nice, is rather expensive for what amounts to a safe specialist. Though, if that's your plan, it's not entirely awful as you can spring the Ninja out at the last moment.

[Harlekin]

There are a few weaknesses:
1) Lt Obvious is obvious. If your opponent aims to kill it, it could be a quite easy target.
2) Hackers in your opponent's army. One or two enemy hackers can really ruin your day.
3) Elite troops (like TAGs) in your opponent's army. You have close to no way to deal with those.
4) Cheap template rush by your opponent. It could be quite easy for him to take our 2- models with one hit.
5) Mines - you'll probably have to spend a lot of orders to get rid of mines placed in critical (close to objectives) spots on the gaming table.

I consider Hackers your biggest problem, as besides the Sophotec all your specialist are vulnerable to (ARO) Hacking and your opponent probably knows about your Ninja Hacker (he will if he isn't new to the game).

Of course, all this depends on how you deploy, what list your opponent brings, your local meta, your opponent's experience.

And about the "in the end game try to catch the objectives" - you'll most probably fail. Take 'em as soon as possible to keep your opponent busy. Otherwise he'll take some objectives and then hunt for your specialist and heavy hitters (who all come with 1 STR).

[Zebo]

I will not wait for the last turn to do de mission, but probably I will try first to kill his specialist and after to take the objectives.

1 - In our meta, killing Lt isn't easy. I can hidde him in any remote and neraby inaccessible place and cover him whit Kuang Shi and Husong.

2 Hacker would be a very pain in the ass versus Rui Shi, unless I can first hit the ground whit my oponent's repeaters, I know.

3 TAG are not very usual in my meta, because they're expensive and not as difficult to kill (I have one Hacker, 3 hmg and 2 spitfires, crits also happens)

4 mi templates are cheaper and they explodes when killed, killing enemys (and I don't care abour my oponent spending orders in killing Kuang Shis)

5 Mines - I have cheap Kuang Shi for cleaning mines, and Rui Shi if I need to discover some.

I'm not saying that there's not problems, I'm trying to imagine how to deal whit them.

Thank you.

Daofei Invencible Ya

[Scorch]

The moment when maxing out on specialists ánd orders becomes grotesque.

No, kidding aside, I don't think that is a solid list. You have not a single way to take a Loss of Lieutenant. Even hiding him away, you can't be prepared the entire game for an AD/TO infiltration model. Taking him out will lose you the game, as you will only have two orders left, for the entire game. (Think: Fiday, Oniwaban)

You have nothing to take a punch; ARM and PH on Remotes is 0 or low. That isn't really good for survivability and you don't have lots of other stuff BUT remotes.

Btw? Since when are hackers a PITA for remotes? Did I miss remotes becoming hackable? There is no AD/HI/GML in this list to get hacked.

A Kuang Shi explode regardless of you wanting it or not. Killing it is BOOM. That can severely harm your own army if a sniper takes one sucker out between lots of Remotes. Like I said previously: they can't take a hit.

Rui Shi isn't a minesweeper. He has MSV2, so he can uncover mines, if he passes WIP 13 rolls. Not an automatic mine-remover. You can lose many orders trying to get rid of a strategically placed mine.

Don't count on crits to solve your TAG problem. They do happen, but don't rely on them. Getting a Jotum (High ARM) or Cutter (TO) on your table will probably hurt your list hard as you haven't got a good way to deal with it. Lots of SWC don't make it fall down if your changes are small.

True, you can work with it.. but I think you're placing too much hope in your dice to be really effective.

[Harlekin]

Good to see that you already see the potential problems.

1) Killing any single models isn't this hard in Infinity - the trick is to make your opponent to consider twice
2) Hackers will be a problem for almost all your offensive models and specialist - this can really become a huge problem.
3) Lucky you Most TAGs will quite easily mow your REMs down - even though they might loose some STR while doing so.
4) I only ever saw an exploding Kuang Shi an _enemy_ model once in those 8 years playing the game - you'll probably loose some of your own model - maybe even your Lt, when your trying to cover him with your Kuang Shis... just don't cuddle too much.
5) Of course. But changes are quite high, this will cost you an order from your pool - which you'll need for your plan to take objectives with your Ninja.

To be honest, your list is so obvious and although you bring a ton of orders (of course, you do), you won't give me a lot of creeps, when I had to face you during an ITS tournament.

Do you already know, what scenarios will be played?

@Scorch: Is that you??
REMs always have been hackable (Wiki).

[Scorch]

@Scorch: Is that you??
REMs always have been hackable (Wiki).

What... da... fuck...




How? I... What? I... how? When? By whom?
Seriously?! xD I never knew! I even saw an entire thread passing by a couple weeks ago talking about 'why aren't remotes hackable/will they become hackable in N3?' I thought you could only hack TAG or HI, and that thread 'proved' that remotes weren't.

Haha, this is ridiculous!

[Harlekin]

Indeed...



*rofl*

[Scorch]

As to misquote a famous canine rapper: hey hey hey hey.... You learn everyday!

Edit: as far as I can remember.. any hacking of remotes didn't happen on my tables, yet. So I've never played it wrong

[Zebo]

The list is for the 5th scenary of a Escalation Leage.

I've been playing whit CG link team until now, and I want to try the KS spam. Then I realized the AVA 3 of the Husongs (I've never played any Husong before) and think about playing a wall of bullets and exploding-fanatics with chain xD

There's any list without weak points

Daofei Invencible Ya

[Section9]

Yeah, ISS is a bit challenging for ITS or YAMS. Better in YAMS, but still hurting for specialists.

Personally, I think you're better off taking a pair of Kuang Shi controllers and putting 4 Kuang Shi into each combat group. This gives the actual hitters and specialists a LOT of orders to work with. I actually wrote up a list for the Paradiso mission 103 along those lines, though you might need to mess with it to get another specialist or two.

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 9 0 4

CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)
GARUDA Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (22)

GROUP 2 8 0 4

SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
NINJA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 48)
PANGGULING (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 4

For ITS, I'd look at swapping the Su Jian for Wu Ming and drop the Garuda to a Dakini medic. This will very nearly give you enough points to take a Pheasant CoC, so drop one Kuang Shi.

List spoilered for length

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IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 8 0 3

CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
WU MÍNG HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 43)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (17)

GROUP 2 8 0 4

WU MÍNG HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 43)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
NINJA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 48)
IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, X Visor) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (41)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 4

And feel free to tweak to your preferred specialists or shooters. 2 specialists in each combat group, each with ~5 orders to back them up. Though Turn 1 I might want to push the Kuang Shi up front.

[Zebo]

Finally, I made a little change an played with that list:

Yu Jing - Imperial Service | 18 tropas
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Grupo #1
Guardia Celestial Smoke LGL (13|0.5)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Ninja Hacker (48|0.5)
Grupo #2
Guardia Celestial Lieutenant (13|0)
Husong HMG (28|1)
Husong HMG (28|1)
Husong HMG (28|1)
Sofotectos (31|0)
Yudbot (3|0)
Yudbot (3|0)
Dakini Tacbot Paramedic (17|0)
Rui Shi (25|1)
Sforza (23|0)
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300/300 puntos | 5/6 CAPs
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I played versus the first player of our Scalation (I'm the second) who plays with Merovingia. I won 10-0.

In my first turn I killed al his long-ranged AROers with Smoke+Ruishi and the Husongs, cleaned the mines with the Ruishi and one Kuang Shi (and killed the two minelayer he was wearing) and took mi side's objective with the Dakini.

In his first turn, he tried to kill my Husongs, loosing his viral-rifle Loup, and tried to kill my Ruishi loosing his last chasseur. He lost his 112 trying to arrive to his falled Loups also.

Mi second turn was killing his last 2 Loups with a Kuang Shi, and his last specialist with the Ruishi, and then I took the middle table and his sidr objectives with the Ninja and made the Datascan.

I know this means nothing, because my oponente failed many important rolls, but I liked how the list worked.

Daofei Invencible Ya

[Scorch]

Cool to see it worked out!