Ok, guys, I need to know if the Vallejo spray varnish is worth it.
My previous experience is with:
1. Citadel Purity Seal. Occasional frosting incidents. Not as resilient as I'like it to, and not matt enough for me. Sometimes it dries too long. Plus I don't want to support GW more than I have to.
2. Army Painter. I like it way better than the above one. The only downside is the smell, but that's not a big one. However, it became damn hard to get on the local market - neither of the LGS has provided me with a can of the stuff for the last 4 months, and I've been told that for the oncoming 3 months I shouldn't hope for it becoming available.
I was, however, suggested a Vallejo varnish. Is it good?
Advice request: spray-on varnish
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They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
I'm interested on this as well, my FGLS owner likes both the Army Painter and Vallejo ones but i haven't tested them enough to have an informed opinion
Frosting can always be your fault, not the spray. 
Never spray when the atmospheric conditions are bad.
Try also Marabu (smelly, also avaliable in pots for retouches... not to be confused with the Aqua ones), in art or craft shops. Or any other you can get for pictures.
Never spray when the atmospheric conditions are bad.Try also Marabu (smelly, also avaliable in pots for retouches... not to be confused with the Aqua ones), in art or craft shops. Or any other you can get for pictures.
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So... I have a brush on Vallejo matte varnish. I use this selectively after I airbrush future floor wax.
To prevent frosting,
-Use a gloss varnish first
-Don't spray on humid days
-Don't spray on too cold days
I have not used a spray variant of Vallejo's matte varnish, but I can at least recommend the brush on varnish.
If you're varnishing terrain, you can use Krylon's various spray acrylics.
To prevent frosting,
-Use a gloss varnish first
-Don't spray on humid days
-Don't spray on too cold days
I have not used a spray variant of Vallejo's matte varnish, but I can at least recommend the brush on varnish.
If you're varnishing terrain, you can use Krylon's various spray acrylics.
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1. Brush-applied varnish, like brush applied basecoat, tends to wear down my enthusiasm real bad. No go here.
2. I had frosting cases with GW varnish despite using it in room temperature and moderate humidity.
3. Krylon is rather expensive here, and difficult to get (I heard they had some problems with environmental or safety regulations in Europe), what is available is predominately marketed towards military enthusiast as weapon camouflage paints - which affects the colour palette available.
2. I had frosting cases with GW varnish despite using it in room temperature and moderate humidity.
3. Krylon is rather expensive here, and difficult to get (I heard they had some problems with environmental or safety regulations in Europe), what is available is predominately marketed towards military enthusiast as weapon camouflage paints - which affects the colour palette available.
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
I use Testor's Dullcote. It's relatively expensive for the size (about 1/3 of a normal rattle can for ~$7 CAD), but may be easier to get. I bought mine at Michael's, which is a craft/hobby chain here in North America. Dunno what the equivalent would be in Poland…
I used to to seal my Infinity figs and it's done a good job so far. It's even kept the flock on the base and out of my carrying case
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I used to to seal my Infinity figs and it's done a good job so far. It's even kept the flock on the base and out of my carrying case
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Dullcote in Europe... funny guy. Sprays don't move far away from the origin country, and shops even limit the sales if they manage to get something from abroad. It's one of the few things in which globalization seems to be going backwards. Probably by the reasons of it, cheapest possible transport & handling don't mix well with pressurized cans of solvent based products, they would had to pay attention which route every box takes.
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I use several coats of an "art store" cheap non-yellowing gloss varnish, and then finish off with a coat of Testor's Dullcote.
I've never had any issues with frosting, but then again I also give my models plenty of time to dry under a desk lamp.
I've never had any issues with frosting, but then again I also give my models plenty of time to dry under a desk lamp.
I don't want to be rude, gentlemen, but the original question I asked (and Jherazob was interested in, too) was about Vallejo spray varnish....
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
No experience with Vallejo aerosol varnish, in fact I didn’t even know they produced one. I do use their brush on varnish and have had no problems with their gloss, matt, or satin products. However I am lazy and I airbrush it on (like I said with no problems), obviously I don’t know if that is an option for you but something to consider if it is. I would argue if you already own an airbrush it is actually cheaper.
The only annoying thing is that I have a bottle of matt and gloss varnish around the 200ml sort of size, but I can’t find this size anymore. Just the 17ml dropper bottles, which is more expensive per ml.
The only annoying thing is that I have a bottle of matt and gloss varnish around the 200ml sort of size, but I can’t find this size anymore. Just the 17ml dropper bottles, which is more expensive per ml.
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I see.
Nope, I don't have an airbrush nor, in fact, intend to get one 9too much new tricks for me to learn, plus there are space constraints).
Nope, I don't have an airbrush nor, in fact, intend to get one 9too much new tricks for me to learn, plus there are space constraints).
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
For Vallejo bigger pots, ask in art shops.
http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/f ... products/1
http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/m ... products/3
Code 26.518 as example... not a coincidence.
You could also ask for other product lines, like the removable or the urethane ones.
http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/f ... products/1
http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/m ... products/3
Code 26.518 as example... not a coincidence.
You could also ask for other product lines, like the removable or the urethane ones.
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I use the Vallejo matte varnish from the pressure can for yeats now and am pretty happy with it. Not as matte as Armtypainter but still matte and not satin. I had frosting once but that was one defective can. I recommend it.
Errhile wrote:I don't want to be rude, gentlemen, but the original question I asked (and Jherazob was interested in, too) was about Vallejo spray varnish....
I was under the impression that Army Painter paints were Vallejo re-branded, so Army Painter matte varnish is definitely an option.
I still have some ancient cans of Citadel Matte Varnish (so old they have the grinning sun logo!) and they work fine for me. But I live in a desert and don't spray below 55 deg F.
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While possible, the AP bottles don't match, they look like current Andrea & Scale75 ones (check near the neck). And then, Vallejo could make a nice bag of money selling the AP Antishine bottle (transparent! not white that later dries transparent... or leaves you with white hints).
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Argh... I'd love to use Army Painter - but it is out of stock locally. As I wrote in the initial post, LGS was trying to get me one since late October. And I was recently told to not hope for one for another 3 months at least...
That's why I'm asking for opinions on Vallejo. Because that's what they said they can get for me...
That's why I'm asking for opinions on Vallejo. Because that's what they said they can get for me...
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
No art shops around? Talens, Amsterdam, Schminke, Marabu, Winsor&Netwon, Liquitex, Golden brands and so on. They shouldn't be more expensive, sometimes it's the other way around.
Yay! And while looking, I think I found another brushable matt that appears transparent. Amsterdam 115 looks very transparent in that picture. Maybe AP supplier?
Yay! And while looking, I think I found another brushable matt that appears transparent. Amsterdam 115 looks very transparent in that picture. Maybe AP supplier?
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Gotta check with my local art store, but I don't recall them having any aerosol goodies.
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
Mob of Blondes wrote:Yay! And while looking, I think I found another brushable matt that appears transparent. Amsterdam 115 looks very transparent in that picture. Maybe AP supplier?
Isn't Amsterdam a sub-brand of Talens? If so, that's probably the varnish Maru swears by (but he's airbrushing it IIRC), and it's available in some Polish art stores.
Also, Testors Dullcote *can* be bought in Poland under the Model Master brand. I've only seen the pots though, no sprays, and its still kinda rare.
Sorry for semi-offtop, thought you could use some local info Errhile
Yes, check the site, Royal Talens. And they also have 115 under Talens. There are 400 ml sprays cans of both labels. The safety info seems to be shared by the two brands, so they could be similar if not the exact same formula.
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Well, for the record.
The LGS finally got some Valejjo goods, including a varnish.
It said on the can "satin" (somehow, they didn't got the matt one). I was so starved for varnish I took it - in the meantime I had to exchange my "painted but not varnished" box for a bigger one, and stall some models! - and I'm just in the process of testing it.
As I said, for the record: it ain't matt (ok, it wasn't what they advertised), but judging from the result, it ain't even satin, compared to Purity Seal.
It is gloss.
Totally not what I was asking for.
I'llbe using it for the time being, but as soon as I can get my hands on a can of Army Painter's Matt Varnish, I'll re-varinish my models...
The LGS finally got some Valejjo goods, including a varnish.
It said on the can "satin" (somehow, they didn't got the matt one). I was so starved for varnish I took it - in the meantime I had to exchange my "painted but not varnished" box for a bigger one, and stall some models! - and I'm just in the process of testing it.
As I said, for the record: it ain't matt (ok, it wasn't what they advertised), but judging from the result, it ain't even satin, compared to Purity Seal.
It is gloss.
Totally not what I was asking for.
I'llbe using it for the time being, but as soon as I can get my hands on a can of Army Painter's Matt Varnish, I'll re-varinish my models...
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
Maybe you should better shake your can? Matting agent tends to separate if spraycan is stored for long time. And you should double or triple shaking time especially if the can its stored/transported in cold.
And in what environment did you varnished your miniatures? I live in Ukraine and current weather conditions don't allow doing it outdoors.
And in what environment did you varnished your miniatures? I live in Ukraine and current weather conditions don't allow doing it outdoors.
30 seconds of vigorous shaking. And I mean really vigorus. I kept it in room temperature for the last few days.
Temperature outside is in-between 12 and 15 degrees Celcius, with occasional rain, sunny apart from that (but I'm spraying it in a shaded area).
I guess I overapplied the varnish for the first few models. The next batch is doing better.
Bus still not as good as I would like it.
Temperature outside is in-between 12 and 15 degrees Celcius, with occasional rain, sunny apart from that (but I'm spraying it in a shaded area).
I guess I overapplied the varnish for the first few models. The next batch is doing better.
Bus still not as good as I would like it.
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
Satin is satin... but just 30 seconds? What happened to 2-5 minutes after the ball starts to make sound? Getting complains about sprays is not just about the smell, everyone has to complain about the noise too.
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Yeah, I know... but even 30 seconds used o get me complaints.
And 30 seconds actually worked back when I had Purity Seal...
And 30 seconds actually worked back when I had Purity Seal...
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
I can just agree with some of the others - I was looking for the common gamer brands of varnish before, then decided Imight give the stuff from our local art stores a try. half the price of the "big gaming brands" and great result. Used Schminke matte and gloss varnish for some tanks - with great results.
Still, if you are hellbent on getting some branded stuff - I've heard good things about the Vallejo sprays. Didn't get to try them myself though.
Still, if you are hellbent on getting some branded stuff - I've heard good things about the Vallejo sprays. Didn't get to try them myself though.
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As I said, I have to check the arts store.
As for Valejjo - I'm very satisfied with their paints, but the spray varnish (theoretically satin) turns out gloss, which is definitely not what I paid for.
As for Valejjo - I'm very satisfied with their paints, but the spray varnish (theoretically satin) turns out gloss, which is definitely not what I paid for.
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
That there, there will be pure wine and honey and sugar
Fill up the wine cup and place it in my hand
(For) ready cash is better than a thousand credits.
- Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam, but it is a shoddy translation
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