The Scoop on GenCon

[Errhile]

I hope that will be it, otherwise Bostria's credibility (including what he said in the GenCon seminar) wouldn't be worth a Shasvasti egg gone bad - he explicitely said the existing epansion books (i.e. HS and C:P) will reamin compatible with N3.

This does not exclude a possiblity of an errata / update being released in the form of a .pdf, much like it was done when moving from 1ed to 2ed.

[Claudius Sol]

Yeah, that's what I had taken away from Fernando when I talked to him. He never explicitly said it would be a new book and the PDF makes the most sense to me.

Also, Varuna hopefuls... Don't lose hope

[Berynius]

I assume that the N:3 troop profiles are either in the book or are released as a PDF.
That leaves the Fire Team rules and some Skills and Ammo, if those rule are not compatible with N:3 then a pdf release would cover those.
But that meas that only the Fluff portion of the book is truly compatible with N:3, so it would be slightly dishonest to say that H:S is compatible with N:3.
Now I understand that it may not be 100% compatible but to release a new version of straight after N:3 seems odd.

[smotku]

I think the errata is for people who have HS now but an updated HS will be available after N3 release. I dont think it is odd to release updated versions of the HS. I think it would be odd if the continued to reprint HS without updating it to be compatible with N3.

[jherazob]

As an aside i may be a bit uninformed on this, what would Varuna be, another potential Aleph sectorial? What would it supposedly have that wouldn't fit in the vedic one?

[MarcoSkoll]

The HS units are going to need a PDF release in short order anyway if they don't want to invalidate units while they wait for an update..

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they just wanted to get books with old profiles off the shelves and replaced with something actually up-to-date.

[Scorch]

As an aside i may be a bit uninformed on this, what would Varuna be, another potential Aleph sectorial? What would it supposedly have that wouldn't fit in the vedic one?

Varuna is PanOceanias oceanic planet. The fluff states it as a Swat team/anti-terror focused army.

[jherazob]

Bleh, PanO has too many sectorials already

[Hunter2k3]

What I think Fernando meant was an update for Human Sphere. I am not sure if it is going to be an entirely new book. As far as we know, it could just asleast ly be a PDF with updated rules and profiles. Why would the fluff change, after all?

The fluff part isn't changing feom N2 to N3. Still it's a new book. Probably thr same will happen with HS snd maybe C:P. Although C:P was peobably written with N3 in mind at least all profiles have to change.

So saying HS and C:P are compatible might be a catch to keep peace with the veterans.

[Errhile]

Keeping peace with veterans would give them nothing if they were to lose their credibility.

CB has managed to gain a reputation among their customers / players for genuinely caring for their fanbase. Such reputation is invaluable.

Which is why I belive in .pdf errata / update. It makes sense, it comes free to the players, it allows CB to stay true to their word (as far as it goes, that is).

[Section9]

If you look at the Downloads section of the Infinity website, under Rules -> English you will see a file named 'Addendum'.

That file has all the changes from 1st edition to 2nd. (The file "Human Sphere - Addendum" is presently a collection of all the errata)

I'm expecting there to be a similar file that shows up to update Human Sphere and Paradiso, released right around the time the N3 books ship.

I'd love to see a "revised for N3" version of Human Sphere and Paradiso printed, but I'm not expecting one.

[BobbaFett]

I sincerely have serious doubts about the veracity of the rumours posted in the article.
I do not care about how many photos of Fernando are shown in it.

Varuna PanO Army will happen.
There is already an "Emperor Army" it is called "Imperial Service"
Aleph will have more sectorial Armies apart from Steel Phalanx.

Apart from the obvious misundertoods that could happen when info jumps from different sources... I'll just stick to videos from seminars from CB staff.
If someone is going to NOVA Open they will have access to Gutier Lusquinos, actual Infinity mastermind and probably the only person that could provide real solid answers to all our questions, doubts and nerdrage.

Apart from this, I want to show all my respect to Claudius and all his work as Gencon DataSphere press guy.


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[Mob of Blondes]

Every now and then someone mentions they are from Galicia. You should learn about Galician communication (not language) and then everything would make more sense.

Short lessons:
- How are Galician answers? Does it matter? (= another question)
- How are Galician answers? Fuzzy.
- How are Galician answers? Non binding.
- What's the most frequent answers in Galicia? It depends. (literally)
- What did the Gallegan reply? Neither no nor yes, but the contrary.
- If you meet a Gallegan in the stairs, is he going up or down? You will never know.
- Retranca is not just a part of horse harness, it's also a way of saying things, and claimed to reach art level in Galicia.

Make what you want of this list of stereotypes. Carallo.

[Claudius Sol]

I sincerely have serious doubts about the veracity of the rumours posted in the article.
I do not care about how many photos of Fernando are shown in it.

Varuna PanO Army will happen.
There is already an "Emperor Army" it is called "Imperial Service"
Aleph will have more sectorial Armies apart from Steel Phalanx.

Apart from the obvious misundertoods that could happen when info jumps from different sources... I'll just stick to videos from seminars from CB staff.
If someone is going to NOVA Open they will have access to Gutier Lusquinos, actual Infinity mastermind and probably the only person that could provide real solid answers to all our questions, doubts and nerdrage.

Apart from this, I want to show all my respect to Claudius and all his work as Gencon DataSphere press guy.


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It's yours to decide if you believe or not, though I'd like to clarify:
I wasn't sure if Varuna was discussed. I'd rather give solid info than rumors.
The Emperor's Army could easily been a reference to the Terracotta army, which was an army of clay soldiers left in an emperor's tomb to guard him. He might've also just simply said "Invicible Army" and I misheard him.
ALEPH's vedic sectorial was confirmed. Please reread the article.

But all I do is provide the information. Only you can decide what to believe.

[Errhile]

But all I do is provide the information. Only you can decide what to believe.

The truth is out there...

[MarcoSkoll]

Everything you have been told is a lie...ohnowaitwronggame.

[IJW Wartrader]

I hope that will be it, otherwise Bostria's credibility (including what he said in the GenCon seminar) wouldn't be worth a Shasvasti egg gone bad - he explicitely said the existing epansion books (i.e. HS and C:P) will reamin compatible with N3.

This does not exclude a possiblity of an errata / update being released in the form of a .pdf, much like it was done when moving from 1ed to 2ed.

Or it could be both - N3 and the current Human Sphere book would work together with a bit of errata and points updates but in time CB want to redo Human Sphere to the same degree they're redoing the main rulebook?

I'm not sure this one is a binary either/or choice.

[Section9]

I hope that will be it, otherwise Bostria's credibility (including what he said in the GenCon seminar) wouldn't be worth a Shasvasti egg gone bad - he explicitely said the existing epansion books (i.e. HS and C:P) will reamin compatible with N3.

This does not exclude a possiblity of an errata / update being released in the form of a .pdf, much like it was done when moving from 1ed to 2ed.

Or it could be both - N3 and the current Human Sphere book would work together with a bit of errata and points updates but in time CB want to redo Human Sphere to the same degree they're redoing the main rulebook?

I'm not sure this one is a binary either/or choice.

At the very least, I would hope that CB fixes the army lists in Human Sphere, adjusting them to the new format and replacing all the appropriate Aleph unit lists.

What I really hope is part of N3 is all the army list additions and changes from HS and Paradiso getting incorporated into the appropriate unit entries.

[ToadChild]

At the very least, I would hope that CB fixes the army lists in Human Sphere, adjusting them to the new format and replacing all the appropriate Aleph unit lists.

What I really hope is part of N3 is all the army list additions and changes from HS and Paradiso getting incorporated into the appropriate unit entries.

I feel like they'll pretty much have to issue updated PDFs of everything all at once.

But I understand wanting to (eventually) put out updated editions of the other books so that the army list sections aren't totally inaccurate.

[CoxJul]

So:
- N3 won't break previous expansions, but they'll probably need FAQ'ing / addenduming to update any unit stats to N3 compatibility.
- Is it fair to assume that the online Army tool and Wiki will be updated as a source within a reasonable timeframe?
- In which case, between N3, Wiki & Army tool what use are the expansions apart from scenarios? Genuine question as a newb.

[csjarrat]

So:
- N3 won't break previous expansions, but they'll probably need FAQ'ing / addenduming to update any unit stats to N3 compatibility.
- Is it fair to assume that the online Army tool and Wiki will be updated as a source within a reasonable timeframe?
- In which case, between N3, Wiki & Army tool what use are the expansions apart from scenarios? Genuine question as a newb.

-They'll def all need updating to add in the new silhouette stat if nothing else (HI rumoured to be going 4-4 across the board too). Weapons are supposed to be re-costed and charted differently too with new range bands and such.
-yep, these will probably be first things to be updated
-honestly, apart from missions in paradiso i never use the rulebooks now, i can't be arsed flicking through 3 different books to create a list or reference rules when i can just use the wiki app on my phone or mayanet on my ipad.
To me, it seems daft maintaining all the diff books. I'd make a deeply grovelling apology, retire the lot and release a brand spanking new book that puts all the rules + model stats in one place. New models get rules via PDF. its clean and simple that way, though i really respect CB for not wanting to piss people off that have bought the hardbacks so far

[Hero of Man]

So are most MI staying 4-2, as far as we know?

[Lord Sessadore]

As far as we know, yes. That is, the three MI in Icestorm are all 4-2.

[Hero of Man]

Meeeh.

[IJW Wartrader]

To me, it seems daft maintaining all the diff books. I'd make a deeply grovelling apology, retire the lot and release a brand spanking new book that puts all the rules + model stats in one place. New models get rules via PDF. its clean and simple that way, though i really respect CB for not wanting to piss people off that have bought the hardbacks so far

There's also the issue of where you would then put:

General background,
Paradiso missions,
Campaign system,
Unit background.

[Hordshyrd]

Well everything is available online as it is anyway, except the fluff, and a bunch of stuff from the hardbacks have been changed. I think more people buy the books for the background then the rules (N2 Was notoriously hard to reference in hardcover form)

That's why I like the rumors that N3 will be a hardback fluff book with a softcover rulebook attached. Rules get banged up and replaced, scribbled over with updates and the fluff stays clean and pristine.

[Durandal]

Yeah, I know they are still harping on it, but the feeling I have that all this talk of backward compatibility is just placatory talk just wont leave. I think the alternative is just too damn weird to be true.

We know too much (even if it is not everything) to believe that I can use a profile from Human Sphere in N3 and have it translate perfectly over.

Skills are changing, profiles are being looked at and tweaked. A great many profiles from HS and Paradiso will need to be redone (especially anything with a close combat bent, since 20+ CC skills were rare until recently and I doubt they can just throw a blanket +X on every model and call it a day).

Prices of many models are also changing. Anything with access to a missile launcher, MULTI weapon, boarding shotgun, HMG, Spitfire, etc. are all tweaked in point values. This is known, we need only look at the units in Icestorm and the N3 profiles we have seen for the ZuYong (as compared to their 2nd Edition profile released today). Weapon costs are changing, and not in a small way.

Anything using old point costs is incompatible with N3. So this will have to be a PDF release (since we know the N3 core can't possibly contain it all).

The only option is to make HS and Paradiso profiles incompatible until either/both get a reprint and they release a conversion document for them. But that is so messy that I can't for a second believe they would go to the trouble. And considering that they have said that Aleph and the Tohaa are getting full PDFs posted alongside the N3 release, it is a safe bet to assume the Human Sphere and Paradiso units of the other armies will also be posted (though I am surprised no one has asked about this yet...).

And honestly, even when it comes to special rules, if they don't take the time to consolidate things like leveled infiltration and other modified skills from HS and Paradiso in to core, then that is a very bad thing. HS and Paradiso were each used to errata the core rules and with a new edition one would expect a lot of that Errata to be built in.

And with the advent of Command Points in N3, not even link rules (the only thing I can think of that may not be in the core) will be changed in a fairly fundamental way (and the core book will need to acknowledge links to be able to spell out that use of CPs, so it would be weird not to include them in the book).

In the end, I can either accept that CB are going about this release in the most insane and convoluted way possible (i.e. going for actual backwards compatibility), or I can surmise that they are just trying to not piss off LGSs and folks who just bought those books with what can only be described as little white lies. Because I can totally get that the fluff will be 100% unchanged, but I can't see a reality in which trying to make a brand new core game with loads of changes compatible with old source books is a good and wise plan.

They started off by describing N3 as a minor cleanup job, we have seen that that is not the case. N3 is a more drastic change than 2nd Edition ever was and will result in wide and sweeping changes to most every profile in the game. So they have already fibbed a bit about how drastic this 3rd Edition will be (likely to waylay the usual whining caused by new editions... that didn't work in the slightest of course, but there you go ). So I am not inclined to believe the backwards compatibility thing is anything more than something to make folks feel warm and fuzzy that they didn't drop money in vain (and that vendors wont feel like they now have dead products sitting on the shelves).

And for the record, I am not really angry about their unwillingness to call a spade a spade, but it would be a lot easier on themselves and the community. N3 is a new edition, the pretty art and fluff in Human Sphere and Paradiso will NOT burst in to flames. CB will not show up to your house and take them. But when you go to build a list, or reference a rule, or anything else besides plum Paradiso for scenario ideas (to convert to N3) you will not crack these books open. You will find a PDF online, for free, and you will reference those. That is the only sane thing they can do. Any other way of going about this is a massive step backwards from what we have now.

Having to reference three books, plus addenda for each, plust 3-4 army list PDFs just to get a full idea of the rules is bad. Once N3 drops, if CB did their job right then I should only need:

1) the N3 core book
2) My army PDF or an army building app compatible with N3
3) A possible external addenda for link team rules

And that last bit is only in there to hedge my bets against links being modified in the core itself (partially because I'm hoping we finally see non-Haqq Haris profiles since they are supposed to be a thing that the Human Sphere does in general).

A worst-case scenario is that they release addenda for HS and Paradiso to bring them up to date and that instead of referencing those by themselves I now need to reference two additional documents instead. That would be horrible.

For me, the core book should be the core book. Hell, if they removed all the lists, put them online and used the extra space to make sure every extant mechanical was in core, I would be over the moon. But we at least know the lists will be in there, so I doubt it can be 100% complete out of the box without some kind of extra rules document online.

But I guess we'll see. I simply hope I am right and that CB are not insane.

[Scorch]

Yep, I'd like to see all three books getting squished into one core document as well. Makes it easier to sell people the game in N3: "this is the system, here you go!" Instead of "we have this books, but some stuff can be found here and here and here." I wouldn't mind about profiles not being in there. I use Mayanet or Army4.

[Mob of Blondes]

You forgot that all profiles will need to get Silhouette stat. So even if not redone, all profiles will need the info somewhere.

They already said Aleph or Tohaa will not be there.

[csjarrat]

They already said Aleph or Tohaa will not be there.

Which to me just seems daft. I mean, why the hell not? They're an established part of the lore and game now and have been for some time. Its just silly