Chunkys newbie list discovery channel

[chunky04]

Probably not going to actually play 300pts for a while, but I like fiddling around with Mayanet(which seems to be only partially up to date but army 5 has been down a lot), and figure it might help get my head around the different style of game.

Haqqislam
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Group 1 10 0 0
SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (36)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (27)
NAFFATÛN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (13)
NAFFATÛN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (13)
MUYIB Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22)
TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 56)
FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (29)

Group 2 1 0 0
RAGIK Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)

6 SWC | 292 Points

Open with Army 5

So my theory behind the list is that Tarik, the Fiday and the Ragik will be my main damage dealers (Tarik is pretty expensive but is my favourite model in the range). The Djabanzan should be able to control a lane fairly well, and the Naffatun can help control the backfield, where I assume opponents will try and get at Saladin. The Ghulams give me cheap specialists, and the Kaplan and Muyib do something (not really sure what yet - haven't looked at Engineer or smoke much yet).

I put the Ragik in the second group because that seems like the way to do it. I can then keep him up till turn 2, not need his order while he's up there as much, then join him back into the first group when he comes down - is that a reasonable idea?

[Errhile]

The problem is - you have to declare your troops changing Groups at the start of the turn, and you have to have a free spot for a model in its intended group.

I.e. no more than 9 models, and this includes models that are unconscious (as they can be potentially revived).

Of course - with Fiday, that's pretty easy: there's a good chance he'll be out before Ragik is ready for his jump in.

Engineer doesn't give you much extra abilities here, personally i'd swap him for a Hacker, for example, an al'Hawwa. This in turn would allow me to at least use these 8 points for a cheap Remote, most likely a Kameel, Minesweeper variant.

I think, however, that you're needlessly building yourself a 300pts list. At this moment, 200pts seems to be the level you're comfortable at, and the one you use to gather general experience (for me, it was 150pts for quite a while - back in the 2ed).

[chunky04]

I am definitely needlessly building a 300pt list - gotta do something on the toilet man

Part of it is just looking at different models and reading rules, and also gets to provoke responses such as yours that I can learn from (thanks btw).

So with the Engineer, is that basically because I lack TAGs and REMs for him to work with? Thus, if him and the Hacker both correspond to roughly the same amount of objectives, the fact the Hacker has other stuff he can do makes him more versatile should I not get objectives he engages with?

Not sure any of the model I own yet are Hackers, definitely don't have an al'Hawwa yet or remotes, but will have a look at them more to try and work them out now.

[Errhile]

Ah, I see

Well, in that case - Engineer has some things he can do apart from repairing machinery with duct tape and chewing gum

1. Disarm Mines (and similar deployables) as well as D-Charges. This is done at a distance using his Deactivator.
Personally, I find it easier to just shoot a mine into pieces, everyone has a gun for it so no need to bother the Engineer with it.
2. Make breaches in walls (there's no entrance? Really? Booom! Now, there is!) with his D-Charges. Anyone who has D-Charges can do that, just not many models apart form Engineers do. I can't really comment how useful this is, never done that (but again, I'm an old 2ed dog, and there were no set rules for breaching back in 2ed).
3. Help models who have been affected by Glue ammunintion, EM ammunition, or some Hacker programs. It is really sad to see your Janissary Immobilised permanently by ADHL or Blitzen hit - he's alive, he's well, but he can't do as much as twitch his finger - and if there's no Engineer to help him out, he'll be like that till the game ends.

Of course, then there are Engineer-only (or Engineer-preferred) objectives in some scenarios, as well as TAGs or REMs to repair.

In my personal opinion, Hackers bring way more utility to the table than Engineers do. Hackers, however, tend to be more expensive than Engineers.

[chunky04]

I read this article:

http://critskillpeople.blogspot.ca/2015 ... ctica.html

and it gave me a bit more info on this sort of thing too. Ended up including some nice Specialists in my latest order.

Grabbed the QK starter since it had the Hafza (damn these guys look fun) and a good Hacker, plus the Support box and a Barid Hacker, so should have a good set of options by the time we start playing a lot with objectives.

[chunky04]

List of models I own (or are on their way)

Haqqislam Starter Box
Tarik the Man...suri
Odalisque box
Sekban box
Sekban HRL

2 x Naffatûn (HFT)
Azra'il (F)
Hassassin Lasiq (VSR)
Odalisque (SP)
Fiday (BS)
Djabanzan HMG
Muyibs Box
Kaplan Tactical Services Box
Ragiks (Spitfire)

Support Pack Box
Barid (Hacker)
Qapu Khalqi - Sectorial Starter Pack

My tokens are on the way also, and it looks like we will be starting up an Escalation League - good times!

[Errhile]

I see you jumped into Infinity head-first that's over 40 models!

Yes, Hafzas are excellent. Especially when you play QK and they become linkable with anything (that is linkable already, of course).

[chunky04]

Yeah will definitely end up playing QK, even if just to get to play an Iguana, which is an amazing looking model.

Having played a lot of GW games and Warmachine, 40 models really doesn't seem like a massive investment.

One thing I haven't got yet which I have been looking at is the Halqa, that basically seem like Ghulams that get the equivalent of a few free orders in deployment to move up for 3pts extra. This seems like a pretty good deal to me, but the models look out of place a bit - any word if they're due for a re sculpt any time soon?

[chunky04]

I did bump my Ragik over after varnishing him and chipping the paint off one of his wings though

[Errhile]

The Halqa are, IIRC, being currently phased out, and awaiting a new sculpt.
When it is going to happen, though, remains unknown.

You may be able to find some gathering dust on a shelf, or second-hand ones, but the only Halqa ever released was a two-model blister of basic Riflemen.
For now, just proxy them with Ghulam, all the differences are basically void after the Deployment phase.

[chunky04]

Will prolly wait to see if any sexy new models come out. Is the lack of models why I never see them in any list, or am I just overvaluing the forward deployment? It seems quite good to me.

[Errhile]

I guess the reason is threefold:

1. Halqa are available in Vanilla Haqqislam only (so far). Therefore people playing sectorial armies can't field them at all.
2. Mechanized Deployment is nice, but it has its limitations.
3. No models, you have to proxy them.

Now, in vanilla list, there are many other models to choose from, and there comes the Infinity Order economy thing: you need to designate some models who will be pulling their weight fighting, and some who will be mostly generating Orders only (and perhaps provide AROs). Because no way is there going to be enough Orders to make everybody act.

Which means the Halqa are facing serious competition in the active group - being just Mechanized Deployment Ghulams they have a hard time competing against more expensive choices. The skill is, however, of little use in the defensive role, and the point cost increase definitely puts them at disadvantage there, compared to standard Ghulam.

Now, there are a few players who consider the Halqa to be useful.

Personally, being a Sectorial player, I simply have no experience with them.

[chunky04]

OK, been reading a bunch of stuff on QK and thought I'd make some lists.

I kinda like this one, though the groups are a bit awkward.

The guidelines I was working towards were:

Must have 2 full link teams.
Must have Iguana(cos it is the sex)

Qapu Khalqi - 300pt Qapu Khalqi Mark II (300/300 | 6/6)

Group #1 | 8 Models | 8 0 0

Odalisques Spitfire | Spitfire, Nanopulser, Pistol / Knife (1 | 30)
Odalisques Haris | Fireteam: Haris L1, Rifle, Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Pistol / Knife (1 | 25)
Odalisques Rifle | Rifle, Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Pistol / Knife (24)
Hafza Unit Observer | Forward Observer, Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (17)
Hafza Unit Lieutenant | Lieutenant, Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (16)
Iguana Squadron HMG | HMG, Heavy Flamethrower (2 | 71)
Al Hawwa' Unit Observer | Forward Observer, Boarding Shotgun, Pistol / D-Charges, Knife (21)
Ghulam Doctor | Doctor Plus, MediKit, Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (16)
Nasmat Remotes Servant | Electric Pulse (3)
Nasmat Remotes Servant | Electric Pulse (3)

Group #2 | 5 Models | 5 0 0

Ghulam Observer | Forward Observer, Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (13)
Ghulam Hacker | Hacker, Hacking Device, Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (0.5 | 20)
Ghulam Missile Launcher | Missile Launcher, Pistol / Knife (1.5 | 17)
Ghulam Rifle | Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (12)
Ghulam Rifle | Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (12)

Open in MayaNet

[Errhile]

First and foremost: you can't have 2 Link Teams at the same time (ASS Enomotarchos Teams and Tohaa Triad Teams are exceptions form that). Link Team rules are very specific in that matter.
Having one Link Team and one potential Link Team remains an option, but switching them is going to eat your Command Order pool rather quickly.

In QK, however, you can have a Link Team and a Haris Team (of Odalisques or Sekban - these are the only units capable of forming a Haris Team).

Second, a Combat Group of 5 models - and therefore 5 Orders - is not going to be very active due to Order shortage (that's why the good ol' Infinity rule of thumb calls for 8 Regular Orders per group minimum).

This issue can be worked around, though - for example, by gearing this secondary group for reactive or support operations. It is a good place for your area denial troops (like snipers or Total Reaction bots, also, other long-ranged weapons), or models who can act without getting close to something else (a Hacker can work thorough any friendly repeater, regardless of combat group. Naturally, here you have the issue of setting up an adequate repeater network. Luckily, there is the Ghulam with Deployable Repaters now). Also, it is a nice place for your Doc (and/or Engineer), provided she has Palbots at her disposal: 5 Orders make a Palbot go long way.

Therefore, instead of this (which, by the way, is 5 points too big for a 300pts game)
Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 8 0 0
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (24)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)

Group 2 5 0 0
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17)
GHULAM Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)

6 SWC | 305 Points

Open with Army 5

I'd suggest something different.
For example, this:

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 5 0 0
SEKBAN (Fireteam: Haris L1) AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (23)
SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
SEKBAN Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)

Group 2 9 0 0
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
KAMEEL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)
RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (16)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

(there are variants possible - the Rafiq can be swapped for 2x Fanous REM, or a Fanous and another Kameel, to max out on Orders. You can also drop the Kameel and Rafiq, and max on three Fanous, but you lose the Baggage, which could be used to resupply the Panzerfaust with fresh ammo. And you could as well downgrade the al'Hawwa to FO or drop him completely, and this would make the list even more different from what I've presented above)

[chunky04]

Hmm, that's weird, it's 5 pts over because the Haris Odalisque decided to replace itself with a Spitfite for some reason.

Have fixed it up now

[Errhile]

Then there's still the issue of Order shortage. Odalisques are pretty order-intensive, as they need to get close to their targets (nota bene, you might consider taking the 3rd Odalisque with either Boarding Shotgun or SMG+Contender rather than second Rifle + Light Shotgun. Both Boarding Shotgun and SMG are useful against well-armored targets at close range).

Also, I see little point in the two Hafzas - they won't be linking with the Odalisques (they can't be a part of the Haris team, and your main Link Team is going to be Ghulams, right?), and they're worth 33 points. You can have 3 Algulacile riflemen, 2 Ghulam riflemen and a REM, or 4 cheap REM for these points, meaning a net gain of 1-2 Regular Orders.

And if there's 3 points left you don't know what to do with, you can always squeeze in a Warcor. These guys don't do much, but if they have a good Line of Sight, they can mightily irritate your opponent with Flash Pulse AROs. And if your opponent decides to get rid of your Warcor, it generally means he'll have to spend an Order to do so.
An order he might be short of later.

You can make one of the Ghulam a Lt.

Personally, I'd go for 4 REMs here (3x Fanous, 1x Kameel), and make them go into group #2 along with the Doc and her Nasmats, while the Ghulam team gets into group #1.

This makes the group #2 serve a couple of purposes:
1. It provides your Doc an Order Pool to move her Nasmats with and heal whoever needs her help.
2. You get 3 highly mobile Repeater bots you can move next to a target (without depleting your main group's Order stack) and then fry it with your Hacker.
3. If the main group suffers casaulties, you can move a bot or two (using Command Tokens) there. If it was a Ghulama Link, that would cause the group-skipping troops to drop out of the link (thus forfeiting Link bonuses for the rest, too).

[chunky04]

Oh, the Hafza can't join the Odalisque link? This is probably one of those rules I don't have a good handle on as it's not in the N3 book. I thought the Ha fa could join any link, hence their inclusion since the Haris link can only be 3 normally, I thought they could stretch it to 5.

With that being the case, I would probably look at starting over, as the list is meant to have the Odas as the main offensive link team.

[Errhile]

Hafza can join any QK Link Team. This includes Odalisque (and Sekban) when they are deployed as a (normal) Link Team. Just like you thought.

However, Haris Team is a separate thing. It must be composed entirely of a given troop type (the example of Haris rule back in the Campaign Paradiso book specifically used a Hafza as an example of unit who cannot join a Haris Team), it must be composed of 3 models (less than that, and the team dissolves, more than that and it becomes illegal) and must include a model with the Haris skill.

Odalisque Haris should do fine as an offensive team. Been there, done that - it works.

However, you can't use Hafzas to boost a Haris Team. You can (and should!) do that with normal Link Teams - for example, Azra'il have an AVA of 3 (and IMO, given their N3 profile, it makes no sense to field more than one) and it is perfectly legit to add Hafzas to the team to boost it to 5 models.

[chunky04]

Welp, looks like I'll be playing 300pts a bit sooner than anticipated. One of my mates that I've started with has decided to enter a tournament in July, and is keen for some 300pt ITS style practice games. So planning on playing a practice games on Thursday, then probably some more a couple weeks later.

First list I've come up with, made up entirely of models I currently own is:

Haqqislam
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Group 1 10 0 0
SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (36)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)
LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (32)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) (Forward Observer) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
MUYIB (X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)

Group 2 1 0 0
RAGIK Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

A few of these are models I haven't run as yet, so really keen to give them a go. This includes Saladin, the Lasiq with VR, Fiday, and Barid.

The intent with the Ragik in group 2 is to hold him in reserve and bring him in and add him to Combat Group 1 later on.

[chunky04]

The iother list I'll give him a go with later is a Qapu Khalqi list to give him a go vs a link team:

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 9 0 0
GHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
ODALISQUE (Fireteam: Haris L1) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 25)
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Submachine gun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (22)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)

Group 2 4 0 0
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

I know the Doc has to break from the link to use the Nasmat, but I didn;t have anything else to do with the 3 points and it may still come in handy.

[chunky04]

One of my next purchases is going to be to pickup the Remotes box.

I notice most of our remotes don;t have models, anyone got any ideas on models to proxy or convert for them that have a Haqqislam aesthetic? Looking at the Fanous and Rafiq.

[Errhile]

I can't really speak for list #1, but the #2 seems flawed IMO.

Well, OK, at first glance you have an offensive Link Team of Ghulam (and one capable of doing Objectives with two specialists - FO and Doc), plus a Nasmat (keep in mind the caveat of using a Nasmat in a Link Team). A Haris of fast raiders. And a TAG. A total of 9 Orders, 3 practical elements (Link, Haris & TAG) but no dedicated Order providers, which will result in some models sitting out while the others act.
The group #2 is even worse - 3 Objective grabbers with 4 Orders at their disposal..

I'd suggest sacking at least one al'Hawwa FO (or, possibly, both) and hiring some cheap Orders. Algulaciles would be preferrable, though a quartet of 8-points-worth REMs (2 more Fanous, 2 Kameel minesweepers) could work, too (and upgrade the last REM to Rafiq, it is one hell useful!).

Save for HMGs you also lack any weapons that would provide reliable long-ranged ARO for area control / denial.


Regarding the Haqq REMs, our basic REMs (Fanous, Rafiq, Shihab and Shaytaniah, nicknamed "chickenbots" ior "Haqq combat poultry" ) are all buildt on the very same chassis, and thus are sold as a box of 2 hulls and enough parts to make one Rafiq, one Shihab and / or one Shaytaniah out of them (Fanous goes without any additional parts, if memory serves me, so the box would make two). Some players magnetize their REM's accessories to switch these out as needed, others just declare before a game what exactly is what.

I went a different road (couldn't stand the "chickenbots") and made my own combat robots for my Haqqislam and Corregidor (with a backsotry that these are outdated-but-upgraded Nomad REMs predating the current Zond series).

Apart form that, there are of course the Kameel (again, 2 bodies and extra bits to change one of them into TR variant, and the other into EVO variant - or leave these out and have up to 2 Minesweeper Kameels).


Please note that you are multiposting today (several of your posts come under one another). I'd be grateful if you did something about it - it is not considered proper under the forum etiquette

[chunky04]

Ah, so I would have to buy multiple of the remote boxes to get enough dudes to run this:

Haqqislam
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Group 1 10 0 0
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (32)
SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (36)
TUAREG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
HAFZA Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22)
FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)

Group 2 3 1 0
KAMEEL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)
KAMEEL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (18)

4.5 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

[chunky04]

I think I just need to get some games in to headbutt the problems lol so I know what I need to do.

[Errhile]

Yup, you'd need two Haqq Remotes boxes and a Kameel box.

Of course, a stopgap measure is always to use some empty bases for the less active REMs (like Fanous).
Or doing what I did - getting a supply of robots from a non-CB source / scratchbuilding them. My Vega-class REMs (left to right: Repeater, Sensor, Total Reaction HMG with E/M Grenade Launcher - there was such a profile in 2ed - and Guided Missile Launcher) did all costed me just a fraction of a REMs Box (and given that I play both Haqq and Corregidor, they do for a number of boxes... ) really get the job done...

[chunky04]

Welp, ordered a bunch of Remotes, a Spitfire to spearhead a Kaplan link, and some Operation Icestorm and Mototronica goodness for some terrain plus the Alguaciles and Mobile Brigada will work for QK in addition to my Iguana.

They're unlikely to arrive before my game on Thursday though, so I'll probably just have a go with one of the lsits above and see how I do.

[chunky04]

Only just noticed the bit about the multiposting - no problem, I have been a part of a few forums where they hate editing, so have been avoiding doing that to an extent.

So had my game last night with the following list:

Haqqislam
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Group 1ImageImage Image10 Image0 Image0
Image SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (36)
Image DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
Image LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)
Image LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
Image FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (32)
Image HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
Image HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
Image BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) (Forward Observer) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
Image MUYIB (X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
Image GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
Image NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
Image NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)

Group 2ImageImage Image1 Image0 Image0
Image RAGIK Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)

This was basically just a bunch of models I currently had painted, with a particular focus on new models I wanted to try (mainly Saladin).

So I learnt the following things:

- I found myself wanting more models (I had figured this would happen, just wanted to try some out, and also for my first 300pt game wanted to simplify a bit also).
- I definitely wanted more infiltrating specialists (which I don't yet own)
- I need to get better at looking for fire lanes I can create by moving vertically. If I had done this better, I would not have lost my Djabanzan HMG to sniper fire and lost the ability to control a fire lane that became the main conflict zone.
- the Fiday with Mines is very nasty. Really need to get the mines out earlier though - might have had a significant impact on the game.
- Having the Ragiks come down in turn 2 and using a command token to move him into the other group worked well. Had he not suffered from some unlucky dice he might have single-handedly brought the game back into my favour - even as it was he very nearly did.
- Having the extra order each turn from Saladin was awesome.

In the end it was a really good game. There were about 20 pts worth of casualties between me going into retreat and winning 7-1 and where it ended up with me losing 6-2 - mission was Supplies.

My stack of remotes should be on my doorstep when I get home this arvo, so looking forward to that.

[chunky04]

Had another 300 pt game with the following list:

Haqqislam
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Group 1 9 1 0
SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (36)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
GHULAM Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) (Forward Observer) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
RAGIK Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (18)

Group 2 5 0 0
FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)
KAMEEL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)
KAMEEL (EVO Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 13)
RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (16)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

We ended up playing the scenario Seize the Antennas against my also newb mates Nomads. It was a really enjoyable super close game that came down to the very last dice roll, which took me from going down 7-4 to winning by the same margin.

Highlights were the enemy Iguana going on a minor rampage, killing my Total Reaction HMG, flushing out both my camo infiltrator specialists and killing them, but it ended up getting killed down to the operator.

My Ragik then came on to a vulnerable flank and gunned down four dudes before taking up a solid position on the backfield under suppressive fire, basically forcing the opposition AD to come down behind him.

The Nomads then managed to advance and put on some real scenario pressure, going ahead two objectives to none. My Lasiq then went nutso, killing about 9 dudes and putting the Nomads just shy of retreat in my turn two. The Nomads then used their turn 3 to protect the central objective as best they could, as I couldn;t afford to ARO them and trigger retreat.

My last turn I was lucky to have the Lasiq survive a very dicey attempt to kill a dude. Then the Missile Launcher went nuts and cleared most of the dudes around the objective. The Lasiq finished the last guy with any AROs on the way to the objective, and in went my Rafiq to claim my triumphant victory - only to get hacked and Isolated next to the objective! Fortunately my Hacker was then able to make it, and this time was able to time it so he got an attempt at the objective simultaneously with getting hacked. He managed to get it even as his brains started dribbling out his ears.

We did still take 4 hours to play the game, because we each had a lot of new rules still to look up, which unfortunately are scattered across books making it slow going.

My only problem now is I'm not very happy with how my Haqqislam look compared to the Nomad and PanO starters I have started painting, so I find myself wanting to strip those and start over, and play a different faction while that happens. Curse my wandering eyes!

[chunky04]

So I may have found myself with two hours to kill in a car while not driving and started spamming out QK lists with almost every link team option lol...

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 9 0 0
GHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
GHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:14 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Specialist Troop
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
ODALISQUE (Fireteam: Haris L1) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 25)
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Submachine gun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (22)

Group 2 6 0 0
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 8 0 0
HAFZA Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:14 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Specialist Troop
SEKBAN (Fireteam: Haris L1) AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (23)
SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (25)
SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)

Group 2 6 2 2
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17)
GHULAM Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 16)

6 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 7 0 0
KAPLAN Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28)
KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (27)
KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (27)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:3 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Hacking Device, Doctor, Engineer, Minelayer
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)

Group 2 6 0 0
ODALISQUE (Fireteam: Haris L1) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 25)
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Submachine gun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (22)
ODALISQUE Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (23)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)

3.5 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 7 1 1
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
ODALISQUE Submachine gun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (22)
ODALISQUE Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (23)
ODALISQUE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (24)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)

Group 2 5 1 1
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Hacking Device, Engineer, Doctor, Minelayer
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)

4 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 8 1 1
SEKBAN Spitfire / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (25)
SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (25)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:14 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Specialist Troop
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)

Group 2 5 0 0
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

6 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 8 2 2
DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
DJANBAZAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (31)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:3 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Hacking Device, Engineer, Doctor
SEKBAN (Fireteam: Haris L1) AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (23)
SEKBAN Spitfire / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (25)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)

Group 2 5 0 0
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

3.5 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 8 2 2
DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
DJANBAZAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (31)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:3 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Hacking Device, Engineer, Doctor
SEKBAN (Fireteam: Haris L1) AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (23)
SEKBAN Spitfire / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (25)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (8)

Group 2 5 0 0
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

3.5 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

Qapu Khalqi
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Group 1 8 0 0
AZRA'IL (X Visor) Feuerbach / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
AZRA'IL (X Visor) Feuerbach / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
AZRA'IL HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 38)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
HUSAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (16 / 12XP)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:13 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Holoprojector L1, Hacking Device
GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (16)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)

Group 2 6 0 0
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

6 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5