300 Pts Vanilla (Indirect Fire)

[nnnn92]

Hey guys, extremely new Infinity player here. I normally play that other game ( warmahordes) but there was an ITS event at my store last week and I decided to try out Infinity. The game has impressed me massively and I love the depth of rules. Unfortunately I did very poorly in my 1st ITS games and I'm looking to come back with an updated army, less proxies, and more firepower.

My games in ITS were against Nomads, Hassassins and Aleph. Here was what I took:

HAQQISLAM
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

GHULAM Panzerfaust, Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 16)
MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Viral Mines / Pistol, Knife. (25)
KAPLAN Doctor Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
KAPLAN Doctor Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
HUSAM (BS13, Climbing Plus) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges, Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife, Viral CCW. (0.5 | 25 | 12XP)
DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 33)
RAGIK Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (30)
LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (34)
GHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)

GROUP 2 1 0 0

DJANBAZAN Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 28)

5.5 SWC | 297 Points

Open with Army 4

Game 1 was against nomads, I went second but my deployment was less than optimal. my Fiday failed to accomplish anything, and 2 of my guys went down from a Heavy flamer remote who went rambo across the map. I didn't capture any data terminals, but it was only my 2nd game of infinity ever

Game 2 went a little better. My Fiday got an excellent position to start and baited the opposing Hussein into taking ARO from my Djanbazan sniper, killing him. The fiday then killed my opponents hacker and lieutenant, using a smoke to protect himself from Asawira ARO. I did play this rather stupid however because it was scenario Front Line and I camped my army on a building in my deployment zone (oops)

Game 3 was kind of hilarious, my Lasiq and Spec Ops got on top of the highest tower but were killed without doing much. Some aleph robots with combi rifles tried to contest the middle of the map but got immo. from Blitzen shots (I love Kaplans). My fiday got ganged up by 3 expensive models creating a big distraction. I attempted to combat jump my Ragik but rolled a 20, deviated into the center of the table and shot a robot in the back. Finally, my opponent rushed the center antennae because the game was about to end but took a massive volume of AROs and died. I was able to win after this

So from what I learned in these few games, I concluded that I want the following:

Remotes
Specialists (Hackers, doctors, and Engineers)
as much camo as possible, all types
indirect fire

Leading me to make this:

HAQQISLAM
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GROUP 1 9 1 0

BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) (Forward Observer) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
KAPLAN Doctor Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
TUAREG Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (34)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG + E/M Light Grenade Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 35)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)
HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (34)
KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)

6 SWC | 298 Points

Open with Army 4

The idea is the missile Remote and 3 Grenade Launchers can abuse indirect fire, while the Fiday and other infiltrators take objectives and exploit bad positioning. Has anyone tried this before? Comments and inputs welcome

[Errhile]

I'm afraid that you're throwing yourself into waters that are not only dangerously deep, but also pretty stormy.

I never advice a player new to Infinity to start at 300pts. With Haqqislam, which has numerous good and inexpensive troop profiles, I suggest starting at 150, or maybe even 100pts, and getting the feet wet before jumping in.

Your list... let's see:
- 5 Specialists, including a Hacker, two Doctors (one Infiltrating Hidden Deployment), Forward Observer (Infiltrating) and an Engineer. That's pretty a wide coverage, and lots of it. Which is good.
- Smoke provider (well, two, but I wouldn't expect Fiday to live long).
- only one HMG, though it is on a TR REM.
- Only one Forward Observer, who is by the way your best light grenade launcher operator. IMO this makes the idea of this list pretty difficult to make into reality - Speculative Fire from light GLs is inaccurate and Order-intensive, especially when you don't have the targets marked. Double as intensive, if FO has marked them, but at least it becomes way more accurate.
The Guided Missile Launcher is not even capable to fire in Guided mode at targets that are not marked, and you have only one model to do that. Firing GML in Unguided mode denies you all the advantages of a Shaytaniyah REM.

[nnnn92]

I'm actually running 2 forward observers, the Barid and the Hunzakut with CH: camo and infiltration. I'm thinking this is enough to get indirect fires

[Errhile]

Ah. Right, the Barid is both FO and Hacker.

I really don't know. I wouldn't bet my money on this list, especially in ITS, but then again I have no experience with playing vanilla Haqq, and limited experience with ITS.

[Maru]

helo
first yo are realy jumping in the deep water
second you are on the verge of 3 ED
third start at 150p
prox a lot - try other profiles, other minis and so on
- there is no one correct game style and no perfect list
and SmS list - well one of the "boring lists" it go with SmS + 4 Fo (or more )

, but then again I have no experience with playing vanilla Haqq,

same as Qk just no links but selection of best units and Salladin

[nnnn92]

I played against my friend's Aleph, but he had a TAG. my forward observers popped out of camo but both failed their observer rolls and died to ARO from the TAG. the Shaytan remote basically did nothing which was sad

[Penemue]

I'll second (third? fourth?) the "in way too deep, too early" thing. Try playing the game at 150 or so, and see what comes of it. Infinity is a very different game from WM/H - it's a lot more like Paintball or Rainbow Six than more "traditional" wargames.

[TanKoL]

A drawback I see to your armies is that you spend about the same amount of points on every guy in your selection, you don't have any cheap cheerleader providing orders to a few select "bad-ass" dudes
Of course it can work, but I wouldn't consider it very efficient

[McNamara]

A drawback I see to your armies is that you spend about the same amount of points on every guy in your selection, you don't have any cheap cheerleader providing orders to a few select "bad-ass" dudes
Of course it can work, but I wouldn't consider it very efficient

Thats not really true. You can play like that, its about which style you prefer. One thing you have to look out for though, is that you balance the defensive and the offensive models, so that you can spread the Orders into strong attackers and not have hung the other half try.
Typical defensive units are Snipers and Rocket/Missile Launcher units, good Lts. like Saladin/Hafza, TR Remotes. I guess Naffatun fit in both, cause they are just cheap enough to hang at a corner and be a potential treat.

Nomads and Haqq are probably the both armies that are really good at bringing 10 minis that are costed around 20-30. I am not to sure about Ariadna and Tohaa, but they might qualify too.

[nnnn92]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm going to get some more games in this Thursday and this is the modified list I have in mind. 1 Nasmat on the engineer and 1 for the doctor.

HAQQISLAM
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GROUP 1 9 1 0

GHULAM Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (27)
KAPLAN MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)
LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
FARZAN (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (25)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 28)
FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (34)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)
NASMAT Electric Pulse. (3)

GROUP 2 1 0 0

GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 4

[McNamara]

I actually like your first list better!

Something consider is, that GML is not Haqqs strong suit. Its possible to do, but not a now brainer like with Nomads. Or as cheap as the ones with Adriana. Its also rather Order consuming, so not best suited for ITS, where the turns are so limited.
I am not saying its impossible and having a lot of FOs as specialist does make it attractive, but maybe your saver with something else, and you can try it out later.

I tried making a list sticking close to your units as an example:
Haqqislam | 10 models
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Barid Hacker (26|0.5)
Muyib Lieutenant (23|1.5)
Lasiq Sniper (29|1.5)
Kaplan Eng A (27|0)
Shihab (28|1)
Rafiq Rifle (22|0)
Hunzakut FO (24|0.5)
Farzan BS (32|0)
Fiday BS (34|0)
Janissary Doctor (49|0)
Nasmat (3|0)
Nasmat (3|0)
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300/300 points | 5/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/1g1TEH

With this list you are rather save from loosing your lt. since there are 2 options (Barid and Muyib) and one CoC mini.
You got a variety of Specialist. The fast Remote, 2 Infiltrating ones, Hacker and Engineer in the back and a really though one in the Janissary Doctor.
The first few minis are also not necessarily units that have to move. Just get them in good positions and let the other ones do the work, or should the opportunity arise.

The list hasn't that much firepower though. This can easily be fixed by taking a HI with SWC weapon, a Odalique with Spitfire, or Djanbazan HMG instead of the Janissary Doc. Not sure what to take for the points saved though. Maybe Saladin as a Lt.

Ah and something I am just saw now. Your lists don't have much tools against enemy Camo units, besides the normal "high WIP of Haqq units". The Rafiq remote fixes this also a little bit, because it got Sensor!
The combination of Sensor and FO is also really great, so the Rafiq is a "combo" unit with the GML, since it lets you mark units through walls!
this combo is also refereed to as a Ghetto GML, because almost every faction can do this/has these two Remote.

[nnnn92]

I played another ITS (300 pts spec ops) on the weekend, and had much better results running this army:

HAQQISLAM
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

MUYIB (X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 31)
BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
KAPLAN Doctor Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
KAPLAN MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)
HUSAM (Specialist Troop, Super-Jump, CH: Mimetism) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25 | 12XP)
LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife. (32)
FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (34)
SHIHAB REMOTE HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 28)
GHULAM Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)

GROUP 2 1 0 0

GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 4

Game 1 was the scenario with 5 antennaes, and 1 in the dead center. My opponent was Ariadna and his setup had about 8 camo markers and 6 cheap-ish guys. I deployed my Kaplan MSR overlooking the left antennae, with the Farzan close by to capture it. My Lasiq was central on top of a building. The rest of my army on the right. He took the first turn and rushed his heavy hitters (AP rifle guys?) towards the center and right flags. My go. The Kaplan MSR discovers a camo marker and pops him. My shihab HMG shoots across the map but unfortunately trades with some dork. I rambo up my spec ops and activate Dogged to keep going, killing 2 guys. My Farzan reveals himself on the left flag, and my ghulam lt sits on the close flag. We tie 2-2 and each score 1. Ariadna tries to move guys on the right flag but gets evaporated by my Lasiq and Spitfire. My Kaplan doctor heals my Spitfire who died during ARO, and the firefight continues.(Experimental Drug scored) I clear the center flag. At this point Ariadna tries to stop me scoring the left flag and my Farzan dies to close range gunfire. On my last turn I rush my Barid hacker to the center flag using virtually all of my orders, taking 1 ARO from a camo marker but he misses. I win on scenario 8-1

[Errhile]

Excellent

[nnnn92]

Game 2 was Haqq vs Haqq! the scenario was annihilate and my lack of experience really showed in this game. He took the first turn and his Fiday took down 2 of my guys before I could kill him with ARO (my initial positioning could have been better). My Fiday attempted to kill his djanbazan but unfortunately failed and died. Some more long range firing left my Lasiq dead. Finally, his Hunzakut places an AP mine in an impeccable position and it goes off, killing my spec ops and putting me into retreat. The victory points were tied 4-4, so it wasnt a total loss