Back to 150pt, this time with Yu Jing

[Pierzasty]

For several reasons I'll be going back to 150pt format for a while. This time with , as my usual is nigh worthless at low points.
Thing is, I seem to have forgotten how to make a small but decent list (or maybe my earlier lists were crap and I didn't notice )

Anyway, time to make some lists. Assuming vanilla Yu Jing for now, I have something like this in mind:

YU JING
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GROUP 1 8 0 3

CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)

3 SWC | 149 Points

Open with Army 4

Guilang is a harasser (doubly effective as I'll be playing against and I can scarcely afford MSV2), Su Jian and Tiger are the main attacking force, Kuang Shi are extra order pool and building defence (i.e. get stationed somewhere hidden, don't come out, if someone tries to hit you he gets a chain shot in the face). Nothing special.

The thing is, I feel that the LT will be getting a little underutilized here - hidden LT is good in large formats where his extra order won't do much good anyway. I wanted to replace the CG with a Shang Ji LT, but then the list comes apart in other places. Definitely a short blanket syndrome here what do you peeps think?

An alternative, dropping that Su Jian I sooo want to try out:

YU JING
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GROUP 1 (Regular: 8/Irregular: 0):

SHÀNG JÍ Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Shock CCW. (42)
ARAGOTO Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
GŬILÁNG Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (25)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)

2 SWC | 150 Points
ARMY CODE: eNozMlRVNTQ1UDVSNTRQM1MzrLFQMwKSxmC2kRGYA8RopLmasZqhapkJAJZ3DW4=

This one still has fast attack, survivable LT, doesn't put 70 points in one basket to be glued by a Tankhunter, but has fewer overall orders. Still, it could berform nicely. Or I could get a normal LT and switch the Shang Ji to a Karakuri. Decisions decisions,

[VisOne]

Curious what is your reason for taking the CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher when you have no MSV 2 in any of the lists?

No smoke grenade shenanigans?

I love running lists like this.

Yu Jing | 8 models
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Celestial Guard Lieutenant (13|0)
Celestial Guard Smoke LGL (13|0.5)
Guilang FO/Repeater (29|0)
Zhanshi Grenadier (16|1)
Zhanshi Hacker (23|0.5)
Kuang Shi Chain (5|0)
Lu Duan (25|0)
Rui Shi (25|1)
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149/150 points | 3/3 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/yNmKr

If you have a juicy target early on (link team!) you FO it then drop a normal grenade on it.

If not then an order or two of smoke and move the Lu Duan (us Holo Projector LVL 1 to look like an unarmed remote!) and Rui Shi up to their good range band. Kuang Shi runs up under his impetuous order as per normal. Then setup in good ARO positions and ARO smoke then use the MSV 2 to shoot through it.

[valthonis]

Curious what is your reason for taking the CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher when you have no MSV 2 in any of the lists?

I would assume so he can actually take those Kuang Shi, MSV2 works well with Smoke, but those 5pt crazies are hard to ignore...

[Pierzasty]

Welp, something ate my post? My connection most likely...

Yes, the KSCDLSGLCG (what a bunch of letters ) is there partly just to get Kuang Shi and partly because smoke is useful anyway (against camo or other units I don't want to see me).

Yaoxie are a good idea, the main problem is that I don't have them and I don't like proxying (they're on the "buy soon!" list though)

[VisOne]

Worth mentioning what models you do own and if your not willing to proxie in your OP then.

Kuang Shi are overrated unless you like the whole impetuous conga-line at the back of the board order generators which my opponents and myself to put it politely frown upon.

[Pierzasty]

OK, so here is what I have. I'm OK with proxying a different weapon, entirely different unit not so much.

As for Kuang Shi, yeah, 5pt orders. I know there are much better units, but at 150pt I find the point argument very persuasive

[SgtHulka]

EDIT: Whoops, I just realized this is an OLD thread. Sorry for the necromancy. Nothing to see here, move along!

[Pierzasty]

No no no, still checking! What did you want to say?

[Arachas]

EDIT: Whoops, I just realized this is an OLD thread. Sorry for the necromancy. Nothing to see here, move along!

Honestly, the hate on thread-o-mancy is something I've never understood. Go ahead and speak your mind!

[Pierzasty]

Yeah, it's only necromancy if you have nothing to add

[SgtHulka]

It's just that I figured Pierzasty had decided on a list he liked by now so the discussion was probably moot.

My comment, before I deleted it, was that I liked the Su Jian list better than the Shang Ji one, because the Su Jian has more weapons to deal with a larger range of threats (panzerfausts for long range face to face rolls, spitfire for medium range face to face rolls, and flamethrower for close range template attacks). I'm also of the opinion that one shouldn't worry about smoke shenanigans at 150 points because light infantry link teams (which I've found to dominate this point level) pretty much ignore smoke attacks thanks to SS2. Better to use smoke to cover your movement, imho, as Pierzasty originally said was his intent.

[Pierzasty]

Yeah, that's part of the mech-HI appeal for me (Karakuris having the same varied armament). Another plus of your posting, you reminded me of VisOne's list (I've bought Yaoxie in the meantime ^-^)