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Pierzasty has mentioned on this forum or the official one (maybe both?) that the "unofficial" starter box for the Morat sectorial is the Yaogot box plus Yaogot sniper (plus maybe something else?) I always thought that was pretty cool.

Now it occurred to me that the new Qapu Khalki starter set plus an Odalisque box nets you a pretty decent 250 point force:

Haqqislam - Qapu Khalqi | 10 models
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Hafza Lieutenant (17|0)
Hafza Rifle (17|0)
Hafza Spitfire (23|1)
Odalisque Smg (25|0)
Odalisque Shotgun (24|0)
Djanbazan Sniper (33|1)
Hawwa' Observer (24|0)
Odalisque Haris (26|1)
Odalisque Smg (25|0)
Odalisque Spitfire (31|1)
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245/250 points | 4/5 swc
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That sets you up with a full Odalisque link team (using the Hafza) and a complimentary Odalisque Haris team, for a pretty inexpensive intro to the game.

Even the Qapu Khalki starter and the Vanilla Nomad starter can get you a fun little 250 point army with some hacking potential :

Haqqislam - Qapu Khalqi | 10 models
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Hafza Rifle (17|0)
Hafza Rifle (17|0)
Hafza Spitfire (23|1)
Odalisque Spitfire (31|1)
Hawwa' Hacker (33|0.5)
Djanbazan Sniper (33|1)
Mobile Brigada Lieutenant (43|0)
Alguacil FO/Repeater (14|0)
Alguacil FO/Repeater (14|0)
Alguacil FO/Repeater (14|0)
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239/250 points | 3.5/5 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/q5oO7R

The JSA Starter plus a Haramaki box isn't quite as good, but is still pretty effective, just lacking in long-range firepower:

Yu Jing - Japanese Sectorial Army | 10 models
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Keisotsu Combi (9|0)
Keisotsu Combi (9|0)
Keisotsu Combi (9|0)
Kempei BSCC (24|0)
Domaru Lieutenant (27|0)
Oniwaban (44|0)
Haramaki DA CCW (28|0)
Haramaki DA CCW (28|0)
Haramaki DA CCW (28|0)
Haramaki Combi (33|0)
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239/250 points | 0/5 swc
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And the Bakunin Starter plus the Riot Grrls box ends up being pretty similar to the JSA one:

Nomads - Bakunin Jurisdictional Commando | 10 models
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Moderator Lieutenant (9|0.5)
Moderator Combi (9|0)
Moderator Combi (9|0)
Sin-Eater Mk12 (29|0)
Reverend Moira MULTI (38|0)
Zero Repeater/E-Mauler (24|0.5)
Riot Grrl Shotgun (29|0)
Riot Grrl Combi (31|0)
Riot Grrl Combi (31|0)
Riot Grrl Multi (37|0)
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246/250 points | 1/5 swc
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Though if you're willing to use proxies, subbing the Reverend Moira for a Reverend Custodier makes the Bakunin list more unique and takes advantage of the Zero's deployable repeaters.

Since boxed sets are significantly less expensive than buying individual blisters, I was wondering what other good combos you guys have found?

It was Yaogat box + Yaogat sniper + Daturazi blister. Run WYSIWYG with both Dats as chains it's 199 or 200 pts IIRC, and a nasty combo (even if a bit of a one-trick pony)

MORAT AGGRESSION FORCE
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GROUP 1 7 0 2

YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (31)
YAOGAT Combi Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (30)
YAOGAT Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 31)
YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 42)
YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 35)
DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (14)
DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (14)

3.5 SWC | 197 Points

Open with Army 4

(This. You'll probably want to proxy the 3 basic Yaos as combi+Panzerfaust, to hide the LT and better use the points)

Your JSA list lacks a Haramaki ML. I found that the Haramaki box + ML are a perfect combination (as are the Magisters, but you get the separate one in the starter for some reason).

SHASVASTII EXPEDITIONARY FORCE
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GROUP 1 8 0 0

ASWANG Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (25)
CORAX Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, HMG / Pistol, Knife. (14)
SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 15)
SEED-SOLDIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
SEED-SOLDIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
SHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
MALIGNOS MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 47)
SPECULO KILLER Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (1 | 39)

4 SWC | 199 Points

Open with Army 4

Boxes used: starter, Aswang, Corax Spec-Op

Now this is cheating a bit (I used the tournament Spec-Ops), but the Shasvastii box is not meant for starting with, more like a supplemental box. An Aswang LT is mandatory if you don't want to run Sheskiin, and the HMG Corax fills a niche that Shasvastii lack - that of a linked heavy weapon. The fact that the link team hatches in the second turn doesn't hurt that much because the first turn belongs to Speculo and the Malignos sniper. Just park the seed pods in a building or somewhere they'll have a chance to hatch before an AD unit gets them.

Now, the other of my sectorials that's been left unclaimed: The Imperial Clerical Service.

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 6 1 0

CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
WU MÍNG Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)
HSIEN Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (60)
SFORZA Viral Rifle + Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (23)
IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, X Visor) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (41)

0 SWC | 199 Points

Open with Army 4

Not convinced about this list, it suffers from an overabundance of heavy hitters and too few orders. Let's tweak it a bit for a higher format:

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
HSIEN MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (60)
WU MÍNG Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
IMPERIAL AGENT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0.5 | 43)
GARUDA Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 31)

5 SWC | 298 Points

Open with Army 4

(Boxes used: starter, Su Jian box, Garuda HMG, CG spitfire/sniper blister (forgot that the other one was a sniper can be proxied or just use the one from the general starter)

Oops, went a bit too far. Still, I like it. 10 orders, full link-team, hidden LT, visor, heavy hitter, AD... I may actually try it out

Pierzasty wrote:It was Yaogat box + Yaogat sniper + Daturazi blister. Run WYSIWYG with both Dats as chains it's 199 or 200 pts IIRC, and a nasty combo (even if a bit of a one-trick pony)

That was it! I forgot about the daturazi blister, thanks.

Pierzasty wrote:Your JSA list lacks a Haramaki ML. I found that the Haramaki box + ML are a perfect combination (as are the Magisters, but you get the separate one in the starter for some reason).

Yeah, and the Bakunin list is missing the Spitfire Riot Grrrl. That was intentional since I was trying as much as possible for "waste not want not" with the purchases. It's why the JSA list I proposed suffers from the 0 SWC problem. I still think it's pretty playable without the ML, though. You should have enough blitzens to be able to close the gap to combi rifle/contender range.

Pierzasty wrote: SHASVASTII EXPEDITIONARY FORCE
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GROUP 1 8 0 0

ASWANG Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (25)
CORAX Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, HMG / Pistol, Knife. (14)
SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 15)
SEED-SOLDIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
SEED-SOLDIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
SHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
MALIGNOS MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 47)
SPECULO KILLER Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (1 | 39)

4 SWC | 199 Points

Open with Army 4

Boxes used: starter, Aswang, Corax Spec-Op

Definitely cool. I'm still holding out for a Caliban box:

Combined Army - Shasvastii Expeditionary Force | 10 models
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Shrouded Lieutenant (24|2)
Seed-Soldier Combi (14|0)
Seed-Soldier Combi (14|0)
Seed-Soldier Combi (14|0)
Speculo Killer (39|1)
Malignos Sniper (47|1.5)
Caliban E Combi (22|0)
Caliban E Combi (22|0)
Caliban E BS (25|0)
Caliban E BS (25|0)
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246/250 points | 4.5/5 swc
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Just like the Haramaki's ML and the Riot Grrls' Spitfire, the Caliban link team above is missing the Feurbach. Also it's not technically WYSIWYG because there's not enough SWC to field the Seed Soldier Grenade Launcher that comes with the starter.

Pierzasty wrote:Now, the other of my sectorials that's been left unclaimed: The Imperial Clerical Service.

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 6 1 0

CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)
WU MÍNG Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)
HSIEN Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (60)
SFORZA Viral Rifle + Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (23)
IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, X Visor) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (41)

0 SWC | 199 Points

Open with Army 4

Not convinced about this list, it suffers from an overabundance of heavy hitters and too few orders.

Oooh...I like this one. It's short on orders but it's cheap $$$ and has style.

Pierzasty wrote:Let's tweak it a bit for a higher format:

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
HSIEN MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (60)
WU MÍNG Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
IMPERIAL AGENT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0.5 | 43)
GARUDA Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 31)

5 SWC | 298 Points

Open with Army 4

(Boxes used: starter, Su Jian box, Garuda HMG, CG spitfire/sniper blister (forgot that the other one was a sniper can be proxied or just use the one from the general starter)

Oops, went a bit too far. Still, I like it. 10 orders, full link-team, hidden LT, visor, heavy hitter, AD... I may actually try it out

A strong list but expensive $$$!

You call that a strong/expensive list? How about:

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 3 0 0

HSIEN Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (60)
CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
Yaókòng HÙSÒNG HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 28)

GROUP 2 10 0 6

CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
Yaókòng HÙSÒNG HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 28)

7 SWC | 296 Points

Open with Army 4

(Hsien LT is -1 SWC that list is legit)

Woe, I didn't know the Yu Jing total reaction remotes were availability 2. Haqqislam remotes fall behind again

SgtHulka wrote:Woe, I didn't know the Yu Jing total reaction remotes were availability 2. Haqqislam remotes fall behind again

Nearly all Vanilla forces have AVA 2 Total Reaction. I guess the thing is no one but CA have a remote with something as nasty as a Plasma Rifle on it with Total Reaction.

You forgot Mimetism. And monomines. And AVA 2 on Shasvastii.

And ISS can take 3 reaction bots.

I assumed they all were AVA 1 b/c that's what the Haqq and vanilla CA remotes are. I never bothered checking Yu Jing until now

Yes, CA total reactions are the best, but the Nomads are pretty darned good, too, with climbing plus. That works really well with repeater and mines.

I also didn't realize shasvastii sectorial gets 2. Wow. That's something to consider.

Haqq have the worst drone AVA of all factions I think (not counting Ariadna )

And Shasvastii need that firepower, other than drones they have only Caliban Feuerbach and Gwailo HRL, and both in the latest book.

The Sphinx and the Noctifier can bring high burst weapons, and the Malignos and the Noctifier can bring long-range weapons, but you're right, the drones are the only things that can bring high burst, long-range weapons.

I have to confess I've grown to respect the Malignos sniper as a Lasiq-counter. I was pretty down on the Malignos, in general, for a long time. It always seemed like the Noctifier and the Shrouded could do its respective jobs better and cheaper (apart from the monomine trick). But then my son got a Lasiq and the war of the rats began.

Me too. I have 2 snipers and was always very unconvinced on them. That is, until my recent campaign missions when I went "WTF, why did I not take a TO sniper?"

Thread resurrection is fun, isn't it?

ALEPH
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GROUP 1 (Regular: 8/Irregular: 0):

ASURA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 72)
NAGA Combi Rifle, Monofilament Mines / Pistol, Knife. (32)
DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
DEVA Lieutenant (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (26)
DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse.
DEVA (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (27)
DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse.
DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 22)
DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 22)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (13)

4.5 SWC | 249 Points
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Three proxies, four if you count the Naga who has a Monomine sculpt now. Deva/bot box and the ALEPH starter.
The two standing Dakini as HMGs, runnin' champ can stay as a combi. Asura as Spitfire Asura.

The list'd be even better if you took out the Combi Dakini and replaced it with three Netrods.

If you don´t mind proxiyng a little bit (the Raktorak for Kornak and the Feuerbacj for a HMG) you can get a nice 200 points MAF force with the new starter and a box of hungries:

Combined Army - Morat Aggression Force | 10 models
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Kornak Lt (43|0)
Morat Combi (16|0)
Morat Combi (16|0)
Morat Combi (16|0)
Sogarat HMG (67|2)
Oznat (21|0)
Preta Chain (5|0)
Preta Chain (5|0)
Preta Chain (5|0)
Preta Chain (5|0)
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199/300 points | 2/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : direct link

The Mo starter and Magister box make a brutal almost 300 point army.

MILITARY ORDERS
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GROUP 1 10 0 5

TEUTONIC KNIGHT Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 42)
SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 39)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust / Pistol, EXP CCW. (29)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust / Pistol, EXP CCW. (29)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust / Pistol, EXP CCW. (29)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (31)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 49)

4 SWC | 287 Points

Open with Army 4

of course I coul have made 300 by making one of the OS a spec sgt TO FO

Love this thread - would be cool to do a variant of this for 300 pt ITS workable lists

Might be a good resource for new players.

Nearly all Vanilla forces have AVA 2 Total Reaction.

PanO, Yu Jing, Aleph, O-12 and JSA do.

Combined Army, Nomads and Haqq don't. Their basic TR Bots are AVA 1.

Araidna and Tohaa don't have basic bots.

NA2 don't have vanilla.